1. Create Your User Profile and Status Updates

    Arc Flash Forum members are invited to create a user profile. Let others know who you are, what you do and even add a picture or avatar of yourself. What are you up to? Let people in the arc flash and electrical safety community know with "status updates"!
  2. Welcome to the All New Arc Flash Forum

    Arc Flash Forum is a community where we help each other learn about arc flash and electrical safety. There is still much to be learned about arc flash, standards, PPE, studies and more and We need your HELP!

    If you have good information about Arc Flash - Post It! If you have a question about Arc Flash - Post It! If you can provide answers to Arc Flash questions - Post it!

    Sign up as a today member! Feel free to link to this site www.arcflashforum.com. Tell your friends. We want to help everyone be safe in the workplace!
  3. Bigger and Better!

    As you have no doubt noticed, the forum has been through quite an upgraded and looks and feels very nice! There are loads of new features and ways in which this site can now be even more useful to the community in learning about Arc Flash and Electrical Safety.

    Create your detailed user profile
    Add a profile photo of yourself
    Like the forum on Facebook
    "Like" users' posts
    Publish your articles in the library
    ...and much, much more!

    Learn More About the New Features Here

Does this carry more weight?

Discussion in 'NESC - ANSI C2 - National Electrical Safety Code' started by ARC_Dave, Feb 7, 2008.

  1. ARC_Dave Member

    As most forum members know, the requirement for arc flash analysis has existed in the 70E for some time, and the requirement for device labeling has existed in the NEC since the 2002 revision. 29CFR1910.132(d)(1) references a hazard assessment, a requirement that an arc flash analysis meets, and yet people still argue the "requirement".

    The NESC is an IEEE publication but is also an ANSI standard. This being the case, will 410A3 carry more weight than the 70E requirement? Are people finally going to understand what "required" means? I am anxious to get answers from folks in the know, so please feel free to respond.
  2. WDeanN Well-Known Member

    It is my understanding that although a full analysis certainly meets the requirement, it is not necessary to perform an analysis.

    The tables can certainly be used in place of a full analysis, provided the guidelines are met. (I know, I know: How do you know you've met the guidelines without performing a study?:confused: I don't think that has been looked at enough, and it still is not necessary to perform a full study to know if you meet the requirements. Some basic calculations can tell you this.) The 70E method is also based on Ralph Lee's equations. Do you also follow this?

    In short, there is no REQUIREMENT for a full study. It is definitely recommended, however.
  3. ITU New Member

    I believe this carries alot of weight...

    In the publication that you metioned above:
    Section 410.A.3 states:
    “Effective as of January 1, 2009, the employer shall ensure that an assessment is performed to determine potential exposure to an electric arc for employees who work on or near energized parts or equipment. If the assessment determines a potential employee exposure greater than 2 cal/cm² exists (see Neal, Bingham, and Doughty [B59]), the employer shall require anticipated level of arc energy.â€

    Courtesy of IEEE—â€as called upon as an industry consensus under OSHA 1910â€To order your copy of this publication, go to: http://standards.ieee.org/nesc/nesc.html

    I believe that it is hard to argue with this statement, wouldn't you?
  4. apowerengr New Member

    Utilities are the only entities subject to the NESC so this rule should not have any impact on facilities not in the control of utilities.

    The new NFPA 70E-2009 apparently contains language related to NEC 110.16 which will require labels having either the flash protection boundary or the arc energy stated specific to the location of the label. That should give some push to performance of arc flash studies in the design of new facilities.

Share This Page